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TripletDaddy
12-18-2008, 10:41 AM
After opening sales to the general public today, Utah still has tickets remaining in its Allstate Sugar Bowl allotment. The Utah ticket office pre-sold 10,000 of its 17,500 tickets to Utah donors and season ticket holders before the tickets went on sale to the general public at 10 a.m. today. Since then, an additional 2,500 tickets have been sold, leaving 5,000 remaining for sale. The online ticketing software system, which crashed earlier today, is again operational and fans may purchase tickets online (utahutes.com), by phone (801-581-UTIX) and at the stadium box office.

I think this is the reason that the BCS bowls don't like non-BCS conference teams. And don't like lower tier BCS conference teams. Poor ticket sales means lower attendance.

Allegedly, Bama fans are gobbling up the public tickets. I wonder if the U will even have 15K fans there?

Coach McGuirk
12-18-2008, 11:00 AM
I think this is the reason that the BCS bowls don't like non-BCS conference teams. And don't like lower tier BCS conference teams. Poor ticket sales means lower attendance.

Allegedly, Bama fans are gobbling up the public tickets. I wonder if the U will even have 15K fans there?


Those are pretty much the numbers Chris Hill gave on the radio yesterday. He made it sound great though.

SCcoug
12-18-2008, 11:02 AM
A couple questions. How do this year's Utah bowl ticket sales compare to previous Ute bowl games? How do the Utes compare to the other BCS bound teams in ticket sales? While I wouldn't expect Utah to outsell 'Bama it does seem surprising that there aren't more tickets sold. How much does the down economy and distance of travel play in the poor ticket sales?


For that matter anyone know how well BYU has sold to the Vegas bowl? The last few years have felt like the bowl system is slowly dieing. Maybe that is just the MWC crappy bowl situation talking.

Hot Lunch
12-18-2008, 11:02 AM
Allegedly, Bama fans are gobbling up the public tickets. I wonder if the U will even have 15K fans there?

Superdome holds what 80k. So much for a neutral field. I know that was already expected.

ERCougar
12-18-2008, 11:05 AM
I think this is the reason that the BCS bowls don't like non-BCS conference teams. And don't like lower tier BCS conference teams. Poor ticket sales means lower attendance.

Allegedly, Bama fans are gobbling up the public tickets. I wonder if the U will even have 15K fans there?

Do you think BYU would sell better? I think they would, and I think they would sell better than a lot of BCS teams. I get your point, though, and you're probably right (about why BCS doesn't like non-BCS teams, as a general rule).

By the way, that's a sincere question for you regarding BYU, and unfortunately, we don't know the answer. :mad: But I have a hunch that BYU would sell about what a mid-tier BCS team would sell.

TripletDaddy
12-18-2008, 11:07 AM
A couple questions. How do this year's Utah bowl ticket sales compare to previous Ute bowl games? How do the Utes compare to the other BCS bound teams in ticket sales? While I wouldn't expect Utah to outsell 'Bama it does seem surprising that there aren't more tickets sold. How much does the down economy and distance of travel play in the poor ticket sales?


For that matter anyone know how well BYU has sold to the Vegas bowl? The last few years have felt like the bowl system is slowly dieing. Maybe that is just the MWC crappy bowl situation talking.

I don't think it is a Ute phenomenon. The BCS bowls, by and large, are probably interested in about 10 or so teams, period. Beyond that, everyone else is a drain on their plans.

Economy and distance definitely play into lower ticket sales, as well. At least, that would be my guess.

The Vegas bowl has been pretty packed the past 3 years, but it is an unfair comparison. Sam Boyd is tiny compared to the Superdome. And if Utah were playing Alabama in Las Vegas, I am pretty sure the utes would travel in droves.

I think the Sugar Bowl is going to be a Tide home game.

ERCougar
12-18-2008, 11:10 AM
I don't think it is a Ute phenomenon. The BCS bowls, by and large, are probably interested in about 10 or so teams, period. Beyond that, everyone else is a drain on their plans.



Maybe this is the way out of the bowl system--make them so unprofitable that no one wants to do them. Then we switch to a playoff with higher seeds getting home games.

TripletDaddy
12-18-2008, 11:11 AM
Do you think BYU would sell better? I think they would, and I think they would sell better than a lot of BCS teams. I get your point, though, and you're probably right (about why BCS doesn't like non-BCS teams, as a general rule).

By the way, that's a sincere question for you regarding BYU, and unfortunately, we don't know the answer. :mad: But I have a hunch that BYU would sell about what a mid-tier BCS team would sell.

BYU's advantage is the nationwide Church fanbase. That much we do know. Beyond that, I would be guessing.

The U-Mo fanbase that constitutes BYU's cheering section is largely the same demographic that cheers for the Utes, so I am not sure that BYU would have packed the house in N.O., either.

ticket prices are a sticker shock for both Ute and Y fans. They are not used to normal college football ticket prices. Face value for SC home games ranges from mid $40s to $75. That is the face value. So paying $100 for a BCS ticket is not a huge leap. Face value for a BYU home game can be as cheap as about $15, so jumping up to $100 is quite a stretch.

Mormon Red Death
12-18-2008, 11:15 AM
I think this is the reason that the BCS bowls don't like non-BCS conference teams. And don't like lower tier BCS conference teams. Poor ticket sales means lower attendance.

Allegedly, Bama fans are gobbling up the public tickets. I wonder if the U will even have 15K fans there?

If the game was in Arizona Utah would have 50k and bama would have 15k. How many tickets to the Orange Bowl has Cincy sold?

ERCougar
12-18-2008, 11:16 AM
If the game was in Arizona Utah would have 50k and bama would have 15k. How many tickets to the Orange Bowl has Cincy sold?

Cincy = low-tier BCS team. I bet Penn State sells plenty to the Rose Bowl.

Mormon Red Death
12-18-2008, 11:17 AM
From cincinattti enquirer:


There’s still a long way to go before the University of Cincinnati reaches its goal of selling its entire allotment of 17,500 Orange Bowl tickets, but the school has gotten off to an excellent start.
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The Bearcats sold 4,300 tickets on Monday, the day after they accepted the invitation to the Orange Bowl, making it the biggest cash day in the history of UC football, with more than $500,000 worth of tickets – at $125 apiece -- sold in one day.

“Things are going really well,” said senior associate athletic director Mike Waddell, who was in Miami on Tuesday. “We’re on our fourth bus of students going to the game. It really is a testament to our campus coming together and making this a priority.”

Waddell projected that by the end of Tuesday the school would have sold 6,000 tickets for the Jan. 1 game in Miami against Virginia Tech.

TripletDaddy
12-18-2008, 11:18 AM
If the game was in Arizona Utah would have 50k and bama would have 15k. How many tickets to the Orange Bowl has Cincy sold?

I already spoke to this. Like i said, the BCS is only interested in about 10 or so teams. Cincy is not one of them. Neither ris Utah. Nor BYU.

People should remember this when railing about how the BCS is "scared" to invite non-BCS teams to fill the at-large slots. I guess it is fear.....fear of losing lots of money on crappy teams that nobody watches and that travel poorly.

The Orange Bowl is not happy with Cincy, even though it is a BCS team.

ERCougar
12-18-2008, 11:19 AM
From cincinatttie enquirer:

They're all wondering, "why are we playing basketball in a football stadium? Oh well, let's go see what it's about."

TripletDaddy
12-18-2008, 11:21 AM
Cincy = low-tier BCS team. I bet Penn State sells plenty to the Rose Bowl.

The B10 team ALWAYS travels well to the Rose Bowl. Always. People can knock the B10 for its football, but not for its fans. They come out of the woodwork.

The Rose Bowl is unique, however, in that each school also participates in the Rose Parade (nationally televised event) and hosts a day at Disneyland (not to mention the Beef Bowl competition). These types of marquee events fire up alumni to travel. Plus, coming out to sunny weather doesn't hurt much, either.

TripletDaddy
12-18-2008, 11:21 AM
From cincinatttie enquirer:

That is really pathetic. Seriously.

Mormon Red Death
12-18-2008, 11:22 AM
I already spoke to this. Like i said, the BCS is only interested in about 10 or so teams. Cincy is not one of them. Neither ris Utah. Nor BYU.

People should remember this when railing about how the BCS is "scared" to invite non-BCS teams to fill the at-large slots. I guess it is fear.....fear of losing lots of money on crappy teams that nobody watches and that travel poorly.

The Orange Bowl is not happy with Cincy, even though it is a BCS team.

Amen... Outside of the big 10, 5 sec schools, 3 pac 10 schools (Usc, ucla and wash), 4 Big 12 teams (tex, klaihoms texA&m and Nebraska) and ND. traveling 1400 miles to a bowl game will have a sparse turnout.

Mormon Red Death
12-18-2008, 11:23 AM
That is really pathetic. Seriously.

I was typing fast

TripletDaddy
12-18-2008, 11:26 AM
I was typing fast

I meant Cincy's ticket sales. how awful.

and for the school to claim that it was excellent is even more pathetic.

I would not be surprised if we saw LOADS of empty seats at the pre-Orange Bowl. I am talking thousands, not hundreds. Look for very few crowd shots. on top of that, imagine if one team starts blowing out the other? You could be looking at 25K fans in the stands in the second half of a BCS bowl game. fugly.

Coach McGuirk
12-18-2008, 11:28 AM
fugly.


I thought it was fucla. How did you get that wrong?

Mormon Red Death
12-18-2008, 11:29 AM
I meant Cincy's ticket sales. how awful.

and for the school to claim that it was excellent is even more pathetic.

I would not be surprised if we saw LOADS of empty seats at the pre-Orange Bowl. I am talking thousands, not hundreds. Look for very few crowd shots. on top of that, imagine if one team starts blowing out the other? You could be looking at 25K fans in the stands in the second half of a BCS bowl game. fugly.

form the 12/10 cincinatti enquirer


This morning, Athletic Director Mike Thomas said UC had sold 7,000 or so of its 17,500 ticket allotment. Virginia Tech had only sold a little over 4,000. There's a lot at stake for UC and those bowl ticket sales. A lot of money is at stake this year and in the future. The school is on the hook for the two million dollars worth of tickets. If they don't sell out, bowl committees take note.

TripletDaddy
12-18-2008, 11:34 AM
form the 12/10 cincinattie enquirer

interesting, but what exactly are the bowl committees noting? Both of those schools are there because they are auto-bid recipients. Every year, the champion of the BCS conference gets an auto-bid, regardless of potential ticket sales. What are the bowls going to do....not invite the conference champion?

I think the thing that would bust the BCS the fastest would be to have lackluster BCS teams win their conference championships.

I predicted earlier that the Alabama/Utah game would likely have the second lowest ratings of the 5 BCS games. I think I will go on record that the Orange Bowl will have the worst ratings. in all honesty, I don't see why the BYU/Arizona matchup is any less compelling than the Orange Bowl matchup.

myboynoah
12-18-2008, 12:07 PM
The U-Mo fanbase that constitutes BYU's cheering section is largely the same demographic that cheers for the Utes, so I am not sure that BYU would have packed the house in N.O., either.

I don't know that I agree. We went over to the Tulsa game last year and BYU fans brought easily 10,000 to that game. That wouldn't have happened with Utah. Mormons will travel to go see BYU play in greater numbers than Utah.

BYU will sell out it share of whatever BCS bowl it gets into, no matter where it is. And then some.

Mormon Red Death
12-18-2008, 12:10 PM
I don't know that I agree. We went over to the Tulsa game last year and BYU fans brought easily 10,000 to that game. That wouldn't have happened with Utah. Mormons will travel to go see BYU play in greater numbers than Utah.

BYU will sell out it share of whatever BCS bowl it gets into, no matter where it is. And then some.

Utah had a 8-10k at the michigan game both times

At the North Carolina game there were about 5k

Mormon Red Death
12-18-2008, 12:11 PM
I don't know that I agree. We went over to the Tulsa game last year and BYU fans brought easily 10,000 to that game. That wouldn't have happened with Utah. Mormons will travel to go see BYU play in greater numbers than Utah.

BYU will sell out it share of whatever BCS bowl it gets into, no matter where it is. And then some.

Point taken about the game at tulsa... there would only be 2k for Utah in that game

myboynoah
12-18-2008, 12:17 PM
Point taken about the game at tulsa... there would only be 2k for Utah in that game

How many would you say Utah brought to the Michigan game? Was it limited by Michigan?

UtahDan
12-18-2008, 12:17 PM
Poor ticket sales means lower attendance.

That is a breath taking little piece of logic, worth a few moments of meditative pause.

myboynoah
12-18-2008, 12:18 PM
How many would you say Utah brought to the Michigan game? Was it limited by Michigan?

Sorry, didn't see your post above.

SeattleUte
12-18-2008, 02:21 PM
I already spoke to this. Like i said, the BCS is only interested in about 10 or so teams. Cincy is not one of them. Neither ris Utah. Nor BYU.

People should remember this when railing about how the BCS is "scared" to invite non-BCS teams to fill the at-large slots. I guess it is fear.....fear of losing lots of money on crappy teams that nobody watches and that travel poorly.

The Orange Bowl is not happy with Cincy, even though it is a BCS team.

Please keep this avatar forever. It's truly how I see you. You're such a curmudgeon.

Mormon Red Death
12-18-2008, 02:30 PM
btw... I read somewhere that the humanitarian bowl has sold something like 900 tickets so far

Coach McGuirk
12-18-2008, 02:36 PM
btw... I read somewhere that the humanitarian bowl has sold something like 900 tickets so far


They slit there own throat so no tears from me. The fact that Boise has a bowl at all is a wonder.

TripletDaddy
12-18-2008, 03:16 PM
Please keep this avatar forever. It's truly how I see you. You're such a curmudgeon.

I'm much better looking in person. You should see my wife!

Solon
12-18-2008, 03:38 PM
You should see my wife!

Sue Paterno?

http://www.centrecountyreads.org/2005/images/SuePaterno.jpg

TripletDaddy
12-18-2008, 03:45 PM
Sue Paterno?

http://www.centrecountyreads.org/2005/images/SuePaterno.jpg

I meant my other wife here in OC.

That pic looks like it was taken in front of an LDS chapel.

LA Ute
12-18-2008, 03:58 PM
At the Fiesta in 2004, the stadium was full of Utah fans. Psychologically and financially, that's just an easier bowl for Utah fans (and BYU fans) to attend. It's just tougher to get a lot of people from the Mountain West (and the West generally) to New Orleans over the New year weekend.

Maybe I am a case in point. I am a diehard Ute fan, a season ticket holder at RES who doesn't even live in Utah, who has been to lots of bowl games, the Final Four in 1998, the Fiesta in 2004, etc. Even I did not really want to go to the Sugar, because N.O. is a big trip - whether from L.A. or SLC. The tickets are $135 each, and airfares are expensive during the holidays. Then there's the hotel. And the economy has most people looking a little harder at discretionary ependitures, etc. With all that in mind, it just seemed easier to watch the game on TV.

But my two sons begged effectively and were willing to mortgage their futures if they could go. It wasn't hard to convince me. So the three of us will be in N.O. My wife think I am a lovable idiot for making this trip, but that is nothing new. My sons and I will always remember it, I hope happily.

BTW, I think BYU has a slight advantage in this regard because of the geographic dispersal of Church members -- many of who have no connection to BYU other than their membership, but they still go to games when BYU is in town. That's only a slight advantage, I'm afraid, because most Mormon families are not inclined to spend the kind of money and time necessary to attend a BCS bowl game in a town like New Orleans. Just my opinion based on a lengthening lifetime as a "Mo."

Solon
12-18-2008, 04:00 PM
I meant my other wife here in OC.

That pic looks like it was taken in front of an LDS chapel.

Close. It's our controversial, $10 million dollar library. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlow_Centre_Region_Library)

I know $10 million is chump change for a big city library, but this place is about the size of Park City, Utah (maybe smaller; I haven't been to Summit County in awhile).

Controversial because a significant portion of the county's social programs are underfunded while the cash-rich borough spends on a library that is literally one block from PSU's academic library (that is open to the local public and has a variety of fiction, children's, media, etc. resources).

State College liberals are all talk.

myboynoah
12-18-2008, 04:31 PM
At the Fiesta in 2004, the stadium was full of Utah fans. Psychologically and financially, that's just an easier bowl for Utah fans (and BYU fans) to attend. It's just tougher to get a lot of people from the Mountain West (and the West generally) to New Orleans over the New year weekend.

Maybe I am a case in point. I am a diehard Ute fan, a season ticket holder at RES who doesn't even live in Utah, who has been to lots of bowl games, the Final Four in 1998, the Fiesta in 2004, etc. Even I did not really want to go to the Sugar, because N.O. is a big trip - whether from L.A. or SLC. The tickets are $135 each, and airfares are expensive during the holidays. Then there's the hotel. And the economy has most people looking a little harder at discretionary ependitures, etc. With all that in mind, it just seemed easier to watch the game on TV.

But my two sons begged effectively and were willing to mortgage their futures if they could go. It wasn't hard to convince me. So the three of us will be in N.O. My wife think I am a lovable idiot for making this trip, but that is nothing new. My sons and I will always remember it, I hope happily.

BTW, I think BYU has a slight advantage in this regard because of the geographic dispersal of Church members -- many of who have no connection to BYU other than their membership, but they still go to games when BYU is in town. That's only a slight advantage, I'm afraid, because most Mormon families are not inclined to spend the kind of money and time necessary to attend a BCS bowl game in a town like New Orleans. Just my opinion based on a lengthening lifetime as a "Mo."

Good for you. Sounds like a great time.

I wonder if BYU's advantage isn't enhanced by it's more geographically diverse studentbody as well. People are likely to return "home" after college.

LA Ute
12-18-2008, 05:02 PM
Good for you. Sounds like a great time.

I wonder if BYU's advantage isn't enhanced by it's more geographically diverse studentbody as well. People are likely to return "home" after college.

I think you are right. I forgot to mention that. But whatever our place of residence, we Mormons tend to be frugal folks. (Kinda goes with the large families.)

il Padrino Ute
12-18-2008, 05:19 PM
I think this is the reason that the BCS bowls don't like non-BCS conference teams. And don't like lower tier BCS conference teams. Poor ticket sales means lower attendance.

Allegedly, Bama fans are gobbling up the public tickets. I wonder if the U will even have 15K fans there?

My understanding is that ticket sales are down to pretty much every BCS game, especially the Orange Bowl.

Brian
12-18-2008, 08:45 PM
When all else fails, attendance smack.

go wild cats.

myboynoah
12-19-2008, 04:12 AM
When all else fails, attendance smack.

go wild cats.

Are you going to NO? You can stay at our place on the way to and on the back to save money, but only if you do that David Letterman thing for the kids.

myboynoah
12-19-2008, 05:09 AM
I think you are right. I forgot to mention that. But whatever our place of residence, we Mormons tend to be frugal folks. (Kinda goes with the large families.)

No doubt. LDS culture is a distillation of a socially consevative element of society. LDS culture is almost wholly derivative.

Brian
12-19-2008, 06:20 AM
Are you going to NO? You can stay at our place on the way to and on the back to save money, but only if you do that David Letterman thing for the kids.

Thanks for the offer.
But, we can't make it. I already bought plane tickets to SLC from 12/26 to 1/4.

marsupial
12-19-2008, 06:49 AM
At the Fiesta in 2004, the stadium was full of Utah fans. Psychologically and financially, that's just an easier bowl for Utah fans (and BYU fans) to attend. It's just tougher to get a lot of people from the Mountain West (and the West generally) to New Orleans over the New year weekend.

Maybe I am a case in point. I am a diehard Ute fan, a season ticket holder at RES who doesn't even live in Utah, who has been to lots of bowl games, the Final Four in 1998, the Fiesta in 2004, etc. Even I did not really want to go to the Sugar, because N.O. is a big trip - whether from L.A. or SLC. The tickets are $135 each, and airfares are expensive during the holidays. Then there's the hotel. And the economy has most people looking a little harder at discretionary ependitures, etc. With all that in mind, it just seemed easier to watch the game on TV.

But my two sons begged effectively and were willing to mortgage their futures if they could go. It wasn't hard to convince me. So the three of us will be in N.O. My wife think I am a lovable idiot for making this trip, but that is nothing new. My sons and I will always remember it, I hope happily.

BTW, I think BYU has a slight advantage in this regard because of the geographic dispersal of Church members -- many of who have no connection to BYU other than their membership, but they still go to games when BYU is in town. That's only a slight advantage, I'm afraid, because most Mormon families are not inclined to spend the kind of money and time necessary to attend a BCS bowl game in a town like New Orleans. Just my opinion based on a lengthening lifetime as a "Mo."
$135?! I was telling danimal we should go, but not for $135 a pop. We are only 3 hours from Nawlins... If anyone going needs a place to stay, let me know.

PaloAltoCougar
12-19-2008, 07:55 AM
go wild cats.

This admonition intrigues me, as it is either missing a comma or has one space too many. I trust you meant "Go wild, cats!", although it's unclear if this is a reference to BYU's offense, or to CUF'ers as they overindulge at the Bellagio Buffet. In either case, we accept your good wishes. And to you, go crimson!

byu71
12-19-2008, 08:03 AM
I hope someday we get a chance to prove we can seel more tickets to a BCS bowl game.

jay santos
12-19-2008, 08:17 AM
Of all the lame things in the world, nothing is more lame than bowl attendance smack. Even more lame than my 12 yr old son telling my 6 yr old son he's smarter than him. Even more lame than DDD telling someone he has more money than them or his team has a richer history. Lame, lame, lame. We already know these things. Alabama's gonna sell more tickets than Utah to the Sugar Bowl. Alabama gets 80K to their spring game. Of course they're going to sell a lot of bowl tickets. A team should not be penalized in the post season on the basis of $.

Brian
12-19-2008, 08:23 AM
This admonition intrigues me, as it is either missing a comma or has one space too many. I trust you meant "Go wild, cats!", although it's unclear if this is a reference to BYU's offense, or to CUF'ers as they overindulge at the Bellagio Buffet. In either case, we accept your good wishes. And to you, go crimson!

no, i fat fingered and added a space.

go wildcats.

ERCougar
12-19-2008, 08:28 AM
At the Fiesta in 2004, the stadium was full of Utah fans. Psychologically and financially, that's just an easier bowl for Utah fans (and BYU fans) to attend. It's just tougher to get a lot of people from the Mountain West (and the West generally) to New Orleans over the New year weekend.

Maybe I am a case in point. I am a diehard Ute fan, a season ticket holder at RES who doesn't even live in Utah, who has been to lots of bowl games, the Final Four in 1998, the Fiesta in 2004, etc. Even I did not really want to go to the Sugar, because N.O. is a big trip - whether from L.A. or SLC. The tickets are $135 each, and airfares are expensive during the holidays. Then there's the hotel. And the economy has most people looking a little harder at discretionary ependitures, etc. With all that in mind, it just seemed easier to watch the game on TV.

But my two sons begged effectively and were willing to mortgage their futures if they could go. It wasn't hard to convince me. So the three of us will be in N.O. My wife think I am a lovable idiot for making this trip, but that is nothing new. My sons and I will always remember it, I hope happily.

BTW, I think BYU has a slight advantage in this regard because of the geographic dispersal of Church members -- many of who have no connection to BYU other than their membership, but they still go to games when BYU is in town. That's only a slight advantage, I'm afraid, because most Mormon families are not inclined to spend the kind of money and time necessary to attend a BCS bowl game in a town like New Orleans. Just my opinion based on a lengthening lifetime as a "Mo."

There is no way I would even think about missing that game if BYU were in it. And I would have said that as a struggling med student. It's a once-(or twice)-in-a-lifetime type thing. You're right--you'll have great memories to talk about for the rest of your life.

myboynoah
12-19-2008, 08:55 AM
Thanks for the offer.
But, we can't make it. I already bought plane tickets to SLC from 12/26 to 1/4.

Bummer. I don't know how I'll break this to the kids. Best to wait until after Christmas.

Brian
12-19-2008, 09:48 AM
Bummer. I don't know how I'll break this to the kids. Best to wait until after Christmas.

i will send them a yellow surfboard.

TripletDaddy
12-19-2008, 10:17 AM
Of all the lame things in the world, nothing is more lame than bowl attendance smack. Even more lame than my 12 yr old son telling my 6 yr old son he's smarter than him. Even more lame than DDD telling someone he has more money than them or his team has a richer history. Lame, lame, lame. We already know these things. Alabama's gonna sell more tickets than Utah to the Sugar Bowl. Alabama gets 80K to their spring game. Of course they're going to sell a lot of bowl tickets. A team should not be penalized in the post season on the basis of $.

Santos, I have more money than you.

jay santos
12-19-2008, 10:50 AM
Santos, I have more money than you.

I'll be impressed when you have more than Haddow.

TripletDaddy
12-19-2008, 10:55 AM
I'll be impressed when you have more than Haddow.

I'm working on it. I'll make sure I keep everyone updated with each bi-weekly paycheck, as is my usual custom.

Hey, did you know USC has 7 Heisman winners? Awesome!

Clark Addison
12-19-2008, 11:18 AM
Santos, I have more money than you.

Completely and totally unrelated story. In my first job out of school. many, many years ago, I worked in an office that had two credit officers, Rob, and Mike. These guys were very competitive with each other, and didn't get along at all. Each one probably made about $50K. There was an opening for a senior Credit Manager, and Rob got the job. This gave him probably an extra $5K a year. Mike was very upset with this, and left to go work as a sales rep for a mobile home manufacturer. This was a good time for Tin Tunnels (he did not work at a high-end manufacturer), and he regularly pulled in between $10K and $20K a month. How do we know this? Because twice every month, Mike would fax over his paystub to Rob. This drove Rob absolutely and completely insane with jealousy.

Everyone else thought that Mike was being an asshole, but enjoyed it because it bugged Rob so much.

Babs
12-19-2008, 12:15 PM
Close. It's our controversial, $10 million dollar library. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlow_Centre_Region_Library)

I know $10 million is chump change for a big city library, but this place is about the size of Park City, Utah (maybe smaller; I haven't been to Summit County in awhile).

I'm sold! Sounds like this is a region that has its priorities in order!!

SeattleUte
12-19-2008, 06:05 PM
But my two sons begged effectively and were willing to mortgage their futures if they could go. It wasn't hard to convince me. So the three of us will be in N.O. My wife think I am a lovable idiot for making this trip, but that is nothing new. My sons and I will always remember it, I hope happily.


This of course is complete BS. You are looking forward to this as much as your sons. I bet your wife isn't really the loveable idiot; she probably doesn't buy your martyr routine any more than I do. She's just loveable.

LA Ute
12-19-2008, 06:28 PM
This of course is complete BS. You are looking forward to this as much as your sons. I bet your wife isn't really the loveable idiot; she probably doesn't buy your martyr routine any more than I do. She's just loveable.

Your cynical refusal to play along with my ruse is a violation of a cardinal rule of the male sports fan brotherhood. That's it - no more professional courtesies from me, buddy. And the next time you forget the password, go to someone else for help.