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Goatnapper'96
12-16-2008, 10:46 AM
the three JC kids BYU has offered?

An OLB, and ILB and a CB. I understand all 3 are mid year transfers. From what I can gather the ILB is an LDS kid, or at least he had an LDS name. None of them are highly recruited it seems, but the CB sounds like a total stud from the stats perspective. My guess is that the only one with a shot to play next year is the CB. While I am not high on our LBs, I still think that the returning guys are likely to be what we go with next year, which our hope is that Sooto and Hooks make the corps a bit faster and more athletic. My guess on the LBs are that they are the gap filling measure between 2009 and when the the mish mash of kids on missions, this freshman group and the kids BYU is recruiting this year can take over. If both the LBs come to BYU I expect both to redshirt next year.

Regardless, anyone know much about them and what the likelihood they come to BYU is?

RockyBalboa
12-16-2008, 10:53 AM
Aaron Gress is the NON-LDS LB that we offered.

Lee Aguirre is a CB that has stated in a TBS article that he's down to choosing between Hawaii and BYU. Hawaii already had 3 JUCO corners that have committed to them, but he also stated in the article that Hawaii is where he's always wanted to play, but that Bronco also told him he'd have a chance to compete for starting position right away, and how blown away he was by the facilities. He mentioned he would probably make a decision by mid-week as he wants to transfer and get going as soon as possible.

The other LB is an Atkinson kid...related to the other Atkinson here that played for BYU a long time ago. I've no idea how heavily recruited he is, but in reading the article on him it sounds like he's all but committed or wants to.

cougjunkie
12-16-2008, 11:07 AM
Per the TBS articles all 3 were promised a chance to come in right away and compete for starting spots.

Goatnapper'96
12-16-2008, 11:16 AM
Per the TBS articles all 3 were promised a chance to come in right away and compete for starting spots.

Perhaps I am naive, but do coaches ever tell a kid they are recruiting that if you are the best player at a position I intend to sit your ass on the bench?

I am sure they will get every opportunity, but I doubt they are any better of players than the current crop, or I think they would be recruited harder by programs bigger than Akron or Colorado State, and with their lack of experience methinks I see a couple of redshirts on the horizon.

The cornerback sounds to me like a legitimate talent, I am surprised he is not in more demand by some bigger schools. Time will tell.

cougjunkie
12-16-2008, 11:37 AM
Perhaps I am naive, but do coaches ever tell a kid they are recruiting that if you are the best player at a position I intend to sit your ass on the bench?

I am sure they will get every opportunity, but I doubt they are any better of players than the current crop, or I think they would be recruited harder by programs bigger than Akron or Colorado State, and with their lack of experience methinks I see a couple of redshirts on the horizon.

The cornerback sounds to me like a legitimate talent, I am surprised he is not in more demand by some bigger schools. Time will tell.

Here is the quote from Aguirre:

I met with Coach Mendenhall in his office and he just said that Id have the opportunity to play right away, which I really like," said Aguirre. We mostly talked about other stuff other than football though, which I liked.

From Gress:

I played safety in high school, so Im versatile and Im really good at covering guys, which BYU coaches says is important to do that in their system," said Gress. They mentioned that theyll need immediate help at outside linebacker and at Buck linebacker next year, so we talked about those positions.

This doesnt bode well for Doman, Bauman, So'oto, and Nelson. Similar quote in the Atkinson article about how they want him to step in right away and play the Mike backer position.

LiveCoug
12-16-2008, 11:53 AM
These JC players will be great players, unlike that scrub Cain at the U.

myboynoah
12-16-2008, 12:38 PM
These JC players will be great players, unlike that scrub Cain at the U.

We need to recruit some big D Lineman named Abel.

SeattleUte
12-16-2008, 12:42 PM
JC kids are worthless. They never pan out.

cougjunkie
12-16-2008, 12:43 PM
JC kids are worthless. They never pan out.

1 out of 4 is what he said.

Hot Lunch
12-16-2008, 12:49 PM
JC kids are worthless. They never pan out.

I also said that I won't buy into any J.C. hype until they do something on the field and like Junkie said 1 out of 4 pan out to contribute. So maybe BYU will get lucky with 1 out of these 3.

RockyBalboa
12-16-2008, 02:09 PM
Okay Goat, here's some profiles on the following recruits.

And the word is beginning to spread quickly that Jordan Atkinson has committed, but nothing official yet.

Here is his bio: http://jcfootball.scout.com/a.z?s=87&p=8&c=1&nid=3829652

Aaron Gress Bio: http://jcfootball.scout.com/a.z?s=87&p=8&c=1&nid=3727673

Lee Aguirre Bio: Well if you can call this a bio...it has virtually no info on him....http://jcfootball.scout.com/a.z?s=87&p=8&c=1&nid=3361141

RockyBalboa
12-17-2008, 02:25 PM
According to DH's blog Atkinson signed with BYU today and his younger brother might walk on.

Aaron Gress signed with Illinois.

Still no word on Lee Aguirre.

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705271202,00.html

Hot Lunch
12-17-2008, 10:53 PM
According to DH's blog Atkinson signed with BYU today and his younger brother might walk on.


http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705271202,00.html

So i just watched the film of this guy on DH"s blog. What position is he going to play?

All i saw was a bunch of highlights of him coming un touched as an outside backer. When I say untouched, I don't mean he was putting moves on blockers or using incredible speed. Nobody was picking him up. I guess they don't teach J.C. lineman how to pick up a blitzing backers. Anyways, is he going to play outside backer at the Y? I am hoping he can play inside because BYU is so weak in the middle. Just wondering. I will say this, he didn't really jump out at me on the film I watched on DH's blog just now.

CJF
12-17-2008, 11:08 PM
So i just watched the film of this guy on DH"s blog. What position is he going to play?

All i saw was a bunch of highlights of him coming un touched as an outside backer. When I say untouched, I don't mean he was putting moves on blockers or using incredible speed. Nobody was picking him up. I guess they don't teach J.C. lineman how to pick up a blitzing backers. Anyways, is he going to play outside backer at the Y? I am hoping he can play inside because BYU is so weak in the middle. Just wondering. I will say this, he didn't really jump out at me on the film I watched on DH's blog just now.

Watching that gave me very little hope. He is not fast enough to play on the edges and doesn't look physical enough to play the middle. BYU needs guys who can be physical in the middle. The one thing he seemed to be able to do when he was actually blocked was get off blocks quickly and move into the hole. That would be a huge upgrade from what we got from our MLB'ers this year.

Hot Lunch
12-17-2008, 11:13 PM
Watching that gave me very little hope. He is not fast enough to play on the edges and doesn't look physical enough to play the middle. BYU needs guys who can be physical in the middle. The one thing he seemed to be able to do when he was actually blocked was get off blocks quickly and move into the hole. That would be a huge upgrade from what we got from our MLB'ers this year.

As I have clearly stated on this board, I don't get excited about J.C. guys and nothing I saw on that film is going to change my opinion. Here is to hoping I am wrong for BYU's sake.

CJF
12-17-2008, 11:25 PM
As I have clearly stated on this board, I don't get excited about J.C. guys and nothing I saw on that film is going to change my opinion. Here is to hoping I am wrong for BYU's sake.

I agree. He's not going to help next year. Maybe he gets stronger over the next three years and can be a servicable player in the middle before his career is over. From that footage he does not appear to be the answer for immediate help that the team needs on defense. I wouldn't be surprised if he never saw the field.

RockyBalboa
12-18-2008, 10:33 AM
I think he mentioned in the commitment article that coaches are looking at him to play the Mike or Buck LB position.

I'm with you HL,,,,I'm not getting that excited until he proves me otherwise.

cougjunkie
12-18-2008, 12:07 PM
Several reports on the TBS message board are saying that Aguirre has signed with BYU.

Goatnapper'96
12-18-2008, 01:47 PM
Several reports on the TBS message board are saying that Aguirre has signed with BYU.

I watched his highlights for a few moments. He blocks a lot of kicks and his statistics indicate he intercepted numerous passes. He is also white.

I also noticed that some of his highlights were him hitting the opponent. From what little I could glean he appears to me more of a boundary corner than a field corner, aren't boundary corners expected to be a wee bit more physical?

I think the best JC recruit is the one that didn't sign with BYU, but I base that on the fact that he is the only one to garner many offers other than BYU. Time will tell if Aguirre is a legitimate upgrade to Brandon Howard.

RockyBalboa
12-18-2008, 01:58 PM
[QUOTE=Goatnapper'96;14717]I From what little I could glean he appears to me more of a boundary corner than a field corner, aren't boundary corners expected to be a wee bit more physical?IQUOTE]

According to his JC Coach he expects him to be an instant impact guy and to play Safety in the NFL.

Of course what JC coach wouldn't pimp their own?

Goatnapper'96
12-18-2008, 02:03 PM
[QUOTE=Goatnapper'96;14717]I From what little I could glean he appears to me more of a boundary corner than a field corner, aren't boundary corners expected to be a wee bit more physical?IQUOTE]

According to his JC Coach he expects him to be an instant impact guy and to play Safety in the NFL.

Of course what JC coach wouldn't pimp their own?

Correct me if I am wrong but Fullerton is not exactly a JC powerhouse in Cal like say a Saddleback, Butte, Palomar or kraprooM?

cougjunkie
12-18-2008, 05:12 PM
Perhaps I am naive, but do coaches ever tell a kid they are recruiting that if you are the best player at a position I intend to sit your ass on the bench?

I am sure they will get every opportunity, but I doubt they are any better of players than the current crop, or I think they would be recruited harder by programs bigger than Akron or Colorado State, and with their lack of experience methinks I see a couple of redshirts on the horizon.

The cornerback sounds to me like a legitimate talent, I am surprised he is not in more demand by some bigger schools. Time will tell.

This is an interesting quote:

"Coaches assured me that Id play right away," said Aguirre. I obviously want to play and Ill have the chance to not only play right away, but start right away."