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  • IMO, this is a pretty big game for BYU

    CSU is resurging with a great deal of optimism about their program. They are excited and really think they can play with the BYU. BYU's defense is looking like last year where they had some really good/lucky outings early and then suddenly fell apart. CSU has an attitude that they are going to move the ball on BYU like they did last year. BYU is somewhat reeling after an asskicking. Their is some deflation as the lofty dreams of MNC chances have been beaten down and there is legitimate concern that the defense many of us thought was improved is not.

    Regarding BYU's defense I choose to be an optimist and I think the defense is improved. I don't think it is as good as 2006 or 2007 but I still maintain it is much better than last year. I am confident that they will prove it this Saturday, but if CSU moves the ball on BYU like they did last year then I think the optimists must face that BYU hasn't improved much and that perhaps there are deeper issues. This group of BYU defenders should be pummelled by FSU when the Noles are clicking, but they should be able to hold their own against CSU.

    I believe the key to the game will be turnovers for BYU. I think BYU is 17 points better than CSU. For each turnover in excess of +1 for CSU, I think the Rams can get a touchdown closer. In other words I think it will take CSU to be +4 in turnovers for the Rams to win. I don't think BYU's defense will stop CSU all the time, but I expect the Cougars to stop the Rams enough and I like BYU's bend but don't break approach forcing the Rams into field goals.

    This game has a similar feel to the Air Force-BYU game in 2007. BYU was coming off a tough loss to UCLA and then a deflating brain fart in Tulsa. AFA was resurging under a good young coach and had some momentum. The game was a complete beatdown in Provo by BYU. It will take more offense, and better ball control than BYU showed against OU and FSU, than BYU had that year for a similar beatdown as BYU's defense is not as good and certainly doesn't match up as well historically with CSU's offense than it does the Flyboy's flexbone triple option. The one thing from CSU that does concern me is the CSU OL. The BYU DL needs to play really well, and missing RT is going to hurt. BYU must reestablish its competitive advantage in the trenches so as to protect the LBs. On defense our test will be the DL while on offense it will be BYU's ability to not turn the ball over. If we fix our turnover issues and if CSU turns one over early, BYU will roll. The offense will get a couple early and put the pressure on CSU who will be forced to be more one dimensional offensively. JJ will pad his all time MWC sack stats if/when that happens. If we win the toss....GIVE MAX THE DAMN BALL!
    Last edited by Goatnapper'96; 09-25-2009, 08:57 AM.
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    am I unrealistic or stupid if I will be dissapointed with anything but a 30+:under 10 blowout for BYU?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
      CSU is resurging with a great deal of optimism about their program. They are excited and really think they can play with the BYU. BYU's defense is looking like last year where they had some really good/lucky outings early and then suddenly fell apart. CSU has an attitude that they are going to move the ball on BYU like they did last year. BYU is somewhat reeling after an asskicking. Their is some deflation as the lofty dreams of MNC chances have been beaten down and there is legitimate concern that the defense many of us thought was improved is not.

      Regarding BYU's defense I choose to be an optimist and I think the defense is improved. I don't think it is as good as 2006 or 2007 but I still maintain it is much better than last year. I am confident that they will prove it this Saturday, but if CSU moves the ball on BYU like they did last year then I think the optimists must face that BYU hasn't improved much and that perhaps there are deeper issues. This group of BYU defenders should be pummelled by FSU when the Noles are clicking, but they should be able to hold their own against CSU.

      I believe the key to the game will be turnovers for BYU. I think BYU is 17 points better than CSU. For each turnover in excess of +1 for CSU, I think the Rams can get a touchdown closer. In other words I think it will take CSU to be +4 in turnovers for the Rams to win. I don't think BYU's defense will stop CSU all the time, but I expect the Cougars to stop the Rams enough and I like BYU's bend but don't break approach forcing the Rams into field goals.

      This game has a similar feel to the Air Force-BYU game in 2007. BYU was coming off a tough loss to UCLA and then a deflating brain fart in Tulsa. AFA was resurging under a good young coach and had some momentum. The game was a complete beatdown in Provo by BYU. It will take more offense, and better ball control than BYU showed against OU and FSU, than BYU had that year for a similar beatdown as BYU's defense is not as good and certainly doesn't match up as well historically with CSU's offense than it does the Flyboy's flexbone triple option. The one thing from CSU that does concern me is the CSU OL. The BYU DL needs to play really well, and missing RT is going to hurt. BYU must reestablish its competitive advantage in the trenches so as to protect the LBs. On defense our test will be the DL while on offense it will be BYU's ability to not turn the ball over. If we fix our turnover issues and if CSU turns one over early, BYU will roll. The offense will get a couple early and put the pressure on CSU who will be forced to be more one dimensional offensively. JJ will pad his all time MWC sack stats if/when that happens. If we win the toss....GIVE MAX THE DAMN BALL!
      If I could get to a sportsbook I would bet the over on this game. Both teams are scoring over 40.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Maximus View Post
        am I unrealistic or stupid if I will be dissapointed with anything but a 30+:under 10 blowout for BYU?
        I expect BYU to win decisively, but I think expecting BYU's defense to hold CSU under 10 is unrealistic. I think if BYU's defense plays well CSU should score 17-21 pts. I think if BYU's offense plays well they should score 35+. My hope is CSU's offense has some early turnovers and BYU's offense smells the blood and pounces.
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        • #5
          I think anything less than a two touchdown victory margin will be a disappointment. This is a CSU team that really should have lost to Weber State after all.
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          • #6
            That we're even talking like CSU has a chance to come within 10 points in this game is sad.

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            • #7
              BYU is going to limit turnovers and pound the rock. The offensive line for the cougars will dominate this game. Expect Harvey to get 20+ touches. BYU dominates but the score doesnt reflect it because of the conservative gameplan.
              *Banned*

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              • #8
                Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                BYU is going to limit turnovers and pound the rock. The offensive line for the cougars will dominate this game. Expect Harvey to get 20+ touches. BYU dominates but the score doesnt reflect it because of the conservative gameplan.
                That's what we've generally done the last 30 years against the shitty league teams.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
                  If I could get to a sportsbook I would bet the over on this game. Both teams are scoring over 40.
                  I disagree. I think the BYU defense is better than you give it credit. Especially if the offense cuts down on turnovers.
                  Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                  -General George S. Patton

                  I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                  -DOCTOR Wuap

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                  • #10
                    I'm beginning to think 60% of BYU fans can't remember week 1 of the 2009 season.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
                      If I could get to a sportsbook I would bet the over on this game. Both teams are scoring over 40.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                        BYU is going to limit turnovers and pound the rock. The offensive line for the cougars will dominate this game. Expect Harvey to get 20+ touches. BYU dominates but the score doesnt reflect it because of the conservative gameplan.
                        I am ok with that gameplan to an extent. If CSU turns the ball over early I say go for the jugular and force CSU into being one dimensional. I think a slow paced game favors their biggest advantage against our defense - their OL.

                        My big interest is how our defense responds after last week.
                        Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                        -General George S. Patton

                        I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                        -DOCTOR Wuap

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                          That we're even talking like CSU has a chance to come within 10 points in this game is sad.
                          Who is talking that way?

                          Those with indicated margin of victories I recall:

                          Your truly: 22 points, I think this is greater than 10.
                          Some Other guy: Anything less than 20 would be a huge disapointment.
                          Washington Cougar: Anything less than 14 is a disapointment.
                          SomeRandomUtewhoseolderbrotherisbitterandotherolde rbrothermarriedafrenchcanuck: real close

                          From this Brother Jay begins self-flagellation and pisses and moans like the WYO native bitch he is.

                          :

                          Brother Jay, pull the string.
                          Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                          -General George S. Patton

                          I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                          -DOCTOR Wuap

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                            BYU is going to limit turnovers and pound the rock. The offensive line for the cougars will dominate this game. Expect Harvey to get 20+ touches. BYU dominates but the score doesnt reflect it because of the conservative gameplan.
                            Is Harvey OK? He looked pretty injured in the FSU game.

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                            • #15
                              If I remember right they said Unga had a setback in the FSU game. My guess is they use Unga to start the game and when they get a large lead they sit him as much as possible. I'm hoping Unga gets to rest the entire second half.
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